On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 19:38, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: > Another aspect is that SUSE is more devoted to KDE than Red Hat, which is > the desktop manager that I prefer to use. Why for example can't I shut down > my desktop machine from the KDE menu directly (at least not when I also > have Gnome installed)? Cause you're using gdm :-) If you replace gdm with kdm, you'll be able to shutdown the machine from within your active session.