On 2003-11-26 at 10:29:53+0100 Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > the sysadmins of those [broken] sites need to upgrade their firmware > to be compliant with internet standards Unfortunately, there's only one thing that can make that happen universally, and it hasn't happened yet. :( Until then, most sites that are stupid enough to implement broken firewalls in the first place will smugly ignore anyone who tries to tell them that their firewalls are broken, thinking that they've just deflected a "security hack" by someone trying to convince them to "let their guard down". Been there; done that. -- James Ralston, Information Technology Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, USA