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Today's Topics:

1. RE: bind update and kernel update? (Ow Mun Heng) 2. Re: PCMCIA NIC (Michael P. Soulier) 3. Re: Yum or Apt??? (Tom Diehl) 4. Install problems (Jeffrey Siegel) 5. RE: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux (Rodolfo J. Paiz) 6. CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23] (Ow Mun Heng) 7. RE: bind update and kernel update? (fedora) 8. funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora (Scott Garrison) 9. Re: bind update and kernel update? (fedora) 10. Re: CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23] (Xose Vazquez Perez) 11. Re: Boot configuration (Matthew Saltzman) 12. Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora (Wolfgang Gill) 13. Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora (Mario Zuppini) 14. Re: bind update and kernel update? (Robert L Cochran) 15. Re: PCMCIA NIC (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) 16. Has anybody had any problem mod-probing pcmcia_core.o on kernel 2.4.23? (Benjamin Arai) 17. installing packages omitted from initial install (Don) 18. wow ask and ye shall recieve (fedora) 19. Re: wow ask and ye shall recieve (Bill Nottingham) 20. Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) 21. Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux (M.Hockings) 22. Re: installing packages omitted from initial install (Iain Buchanan) 23. Re: Install problems (Clifford Snow) 24. Re: Install problems (WA9ALS - John) 25. Building your own rpm/apt/yum repository (Clif Smith) 26. Re: installing packages omitted from initial install (Don) 27. Re: less and LESSCHARSET=latin1 and scandinavian chars are & (Gordon Messmer) 28. Re: PCMCIA NIC (John McBride) 29. Re: Install problems (Robert L Cochran) 30. Re: installing packages omitted from initial install (Iain Buchanan) 31. Re: Solution to pine/pico install, libcom_err.so.3 dependency (Gordon Messmer)

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Message: 1
Subject: RE: bind update and kernel update?
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:54:34 +0800
From: "Ow Mun Heng" <ow.mun.heng@xxxxxxx>
To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Jones [mailto:davej@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: bind update and kernel update?
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 01:30, Joshua Penix wrote:
>
> > I would like to see a kernel with the do_brk() patch, but
> 2.4.23 only
> > came out a few days ago, not in September.
>
> FC1 isn't vulnerable. RHL 7/8/9 kernels will be coming soon.

Hmm... is the fix done on the 2.4.23 kernel already..


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:57:41 -0500
From: "Michael P. Soulier" <michael_soulier@xxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: PCMCIA NIC
Organization: Mitel Networks Corporation
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx


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On 30/11/03 David C. Hart did say:

> Does anyone have a cardbus PCMCIA NIC that actually WORKS?

    Yup. I'm using a LinkSys 10/100 card that uses the tulip driver, and
works fine.

    Mike

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:01:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Diehl <tdiehl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Yum or Apt???
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Rafael Fernandez wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would really like to know which is better, yum or apt? Which is the
> advantage of the best over the other?

Please just pick one and try it for yourself. If you cannot make up your mind you could try reverse alphabetical order. OTOH you could try alphabetical order.

If you figure out this one you could try to solve the eternal vi or emacs problem.

Both of these depend on your religion. :-))

...............Tom

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:03:23 -0500
From: Jeffrey Siegel <freaky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Install problems
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a window showing me the cd and does nothing.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:06:06 -0600
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx, <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

At 12:59 12/1/2003, Don wrote:
>The machine is a Pentium 60MHz, 96 Meg RAM, CD-ROM drive (non-bootable)
>
>[...]
>
>I think this is a good example of how a really obsolete piece of hardware
>can have a few more miles squeezed out of it. :-)
>
>I wish I could get X installed on it properly though so I could run an
>X-Windows session from one of my other machines.... I don't see why that
>shouldn't work.  I'll have to add that to my to-do list.

Probably already done for you:

http://www.rule-project.org

How to use Red Hat CD's and a custom installer to put recent versions of
RHL (soon Fedora) onto hardware which otherwise would be considered too old
to support it. Successful installs of RHL 8.0 systems using their installer
were documented using 486 computers and 8 MB of RAM... your P/60 will do
just fine and likely have a working GUI as well.


--
Rodolfo J. Paiz
rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Message: 6
Subject: CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23]
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:07:23 +0800
From: "Ow Mun Heng" <ow.mun.heng@xxxxxxx>
To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Togami [mailto:warren@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:10 PM
> To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: kernel 2.4.23
>
> -ac kernels contain a lot of add-ons that have not yet been
> merged into
> the vanilla kernel.  Often you will find -ac technology in the latest
> Red Hat or Fedora kernel.  For that reason I believe cpufreq
> is in FC1's
> kernel.

Since Alan Cox is busy with some _other_ stuffs, and the last -ac series was the 2.4.22-ac4, and I wanted the New "Laptop_mode" I did some hacking of my own.

So.. Here's the patch for cpufreq (taken from a site in
http://ftp.linuk.org.uk) against the vanilla 2.4.23 kernel (taken from
http://kernel.org) (why is it called vanilla.. why can't it be
rum-&-raisin?? yumm)

I've tested it on my Laptop and CPUFreq compiled in without any problems and I'm using it. (NO extensive testing. I just made the patch like yesterday _night_. It was a long night...)

So.. I guess now, I have the best of both...CPUfreq and Laptop_mode
support.. Yeh!!!
(I'm Very proud of myself my very 1st patch and my very 1st contribution to
the Linux community.. So.. let me boast it out a bit okay???)

if anyone wants this as an attachment.. Drop me a email

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:08:23 -0600 (CST)
From: fedora <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: bind update and kernel update?
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Ow Mun Heng wrote:

> > > I would like to see a kernel with the do_brk() patch, but
> > 2.4.23 only
> > > came out a few days ago, not in September.

well the patch file is saw listed september 12 06:44:06 2003
1.31/mm/mmap.c to a 1.32/mm/mmap.c dated Oct 02 01:18:19 2003

So the kernel may not have been released officially but the patch shows it
was known and fixed in the sources.

Now don't get me wrong, I like all the work from RH and Ive used 7,8,9 and
now Fedora. Im just curious as to why something in the changelog for the
kernel that was security related didnt make it into a backport.

> >
> > FC1 isn't vulnerable. RHL 7/8/9 kernels will be coming soon.
>

Ah thanks!

-Greg

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:26:10 -0500
Subject: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
From: Scott Garrison <sgarrison@xxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

I'm running FC 1 on an old IBM Aptiva (AMD K6).  Runs great, including
VNC now, etc.

I must've done something to cause the following problem, but can't seem
to resolve it myself (have turned off apmd, doesn't fix it):

After 30 minutes of inactivity, my system goes into some kind of
powersave mode.  The monitor goes into standby, and the CPU does a
funny 'half shutdown' where the powerlight blinks on and off, the fans
are still running, but the system is unresponsive at the console or
remotely (e.g. via ssh).

When I press the power switch, it comes back to life--monitor comes
back on, etc..  I'm taking this system to be hosted at Ohio State this
weekend, so naturally, I need it not to go into this weird mode on me
every 30 minutes (me sitting at my VNC and ssh client in Michigan).

Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have!

--SG

*********************************************
Scott Garrison, M.L.S.
Adjunct Faculty
School of Information and Library Science
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
e:  sgarrison@xxxxxxx
v:  989.400.3463

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:23:01 -0600 (CST)
From: fedora <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: bind update and kernel update?
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

> For BIND 8, yes. Fedora Core ships with BIND 9. Unless you're
> talking about a different fix from last week.


Ah yeah thats a good point on why I havent seen a patch. :) Ive got a few
customers on Sparcs forced to still run the 8.x branch due to some
internal dependencies and i already recompiled from sources and fixed
them. For some reason I thought it was all versions of bind, thanks for
the clarification on that. Since bind 9 ships with Rh theres no wonder
theres not a fix for RH for bind 8 :)

-Greg

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:38:54 +0100
From: Xose Vazquez Perez <xose@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23]
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Ow Mun Heng wrote:

> Since Alan Cox is busy with some _other_ stuffs, and the last -ac series was > the 2.4.22-ac4, and I wanted the New "Laptop_mode" I did some hacking of my > own.

now, -ac kernel is called -pac, and it's maintained by bero. Get latest reelease from: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/bero/2.4/2.4.23/

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:50:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Saltzman <mjs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Boot configuration
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, [iso-8859-1] Arturo Duran wrote:

> About GRUB on a place other than the MBR, it may
> indeed be installed elsewhere...

Yes, I've had it installed in a primary partition (/boot) before.  This is
necessary with the S2D partition, because the S2D function apparently
modifies the MBR.  That's always worked fine.

>
> As to how to use it there, I've never done it:

You just mark that partition as "active" with fdisk.

My concern is that it might not work the same in the extended partition
or a logical one.  It seemed plausible that a logical partition might  not
be locatable by the BIOS boot loader, or that the extended partition could
not be marked active for some reason.

> hopefully an answer by someone else in this list will
> help

Hope so.  You're the only respondent so far.

Thanks!

>
> Regards,
>
> Arturo Duran
>

--
		Matthew Saltzman

Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

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Message: 12
From: "Wolfgang Gill" <wolfgang@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:51:21 +1000
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Scott Garrison <sgarrison@xxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:26:10 -0500
Subject: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora

> I'm running FC 1 on an old IBM Aptiva (AMD K6).  Runs great,
> including VNC now, etc.
>
> I must've done something to cause the following problem, but can't
> seem to resolve it myself (have turned off apmd, doesn't fix it):
>
> After 30 minutes of inactivity, my system goes into some kind of
> powersave mode.  The monitor goes into standby, and the CPU does a
> funny 'half shutdown' where the powerlight blinks on and off, the
> fans are still running, but the system is unresponsive at the
> console or remotely (e.g. via ssh).
>
> When I press the power switch, it comes back to life--monitor comes
> back on, etc..  I'm taking this system to be hosted at Ohio State
> this weekend, so naturally, I need it not to go into this weird mode
> on me every 30 minutes (me sitting at my VNC and ssh client in
> Michigan).
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have!
>
> --SG
>
> *********************************************
> Scott Garrison, M.L.S.
> Adjunct Faculty
> School of Information and Library Science
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> e:  sgarrison@xxxxxxx
> v:  989.400.3463

------- End of Original Message -------

Sounds like a BIOS setting is over riding the Linux settings. You may need to disable this function in the BIOS.

Wolf

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
From: Mario Zuppini <mario@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: 02 Dec 2003 12:55:27 +1000
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Im assuming that you have gone through your BIOS APM section to check
what its default power management settings are configured too ???

if not , might be worth a look

On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 12:26, Scott Garrison wrote:
> I'm running FC 1 on an old IBM Aptiva (AMD K6).  Runs great, including
> VNC now, etc.
>
> I must've done something to cause the following problem, but can't seem
> to resolve it myself (have turned off apmd, doesn't fix it):
>
> After 30 minutes of inactivity, my system goes into some kind of
> powersave mode.  The monitor goes into standby, and the CPU does a
> funny 'half shutdown' where the powerlight blinks on and off, the fans
> are still running, but the system is unresponsive at the console or
> remotely (e.g. via ssh).
>
> When I press the power switch, it comes back to life--monitor comes
> back on, etc..  I'm taking this system to be hosted at Ohio State this
> weekend, so naturally, I need it not to go into this weird mode on me
> every 30 minutes (me sitting at my VNC and ssh client in Michigan).
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have!
>
> --SG
>
> *********************************************
> Scott Garrison, M.L.S.
> Adjunct Faculty
> School of Information and Library Science
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> e:  sgarrison@xxxxxxx
> v:  989.400.3463
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:02:47 -0500
From: Robert L Cochran <cochranb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: bind update and kernel update?
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Administration is very tricky.

Bob


fedora wrote:

>>For BIND 8, yes. Fedora Core ships with BIND 9. Unless you're >>talking about a different fix from last week. > > > > Ah yeah thats a good point on why I havent seen a patch. :) Ive got a few > customers on Sparcs forced to still run the 8.x branch due to some > internal dependencies and i already recompiled from sources and fixed > them. For some reason I thought it was all versions of bind, thanks for > the clarification on that. Since bind 9 ships with Rh theres no wonder > theres not a fix for RH for bind 8 :) > > -Greg > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > >

--
Bob Cochran
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/


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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:25:31 -0600
To: Fedora-List <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: PCMCIA NIC
From: jbn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

David C. Hart wrote:
> Does anyone have a cardbus PCMCIA NIC that actually WORKS?

Yes. The 3Com Megahertz 10/100 LAN CardBus model 3CXFE575BT. The one I'm looking at right now has an XJack connector (a pop-out device you plug in an ethernet cable into). No additional cables or dongles required.

It'll cost you about $18 shipped from Micronet Networking in San Francisco
(see http://micronetxp.com), according to Pricewatch (search for "3com
3CXFE575BT").

I have no idea what driver it uses but it works perfectly in Red Hat 9
GNU/Linux, so I'm guessing it will work just as well in Fedora Core 1
GNU/Linux.  For less than you probably paid for lunch today, you could just
buy one and try it.

I don't work for any of the companies just mentioned. I'm just trying to be helpful.

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Message: 16
Subject: Has anybody had any problem mod-probing pcmcia_core.o on kernel
	2.4.23?
From: Benjamin Arai <benjamin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Organization: Araisoft Corp.
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:26:52 -0800
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx


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I made the kernel.
Copied the System-map, bzImage, vmlinux to /boot.  I also created the
initrd images:
mktinitrd initrd-2.4.23.img 2.4.23.

Whe I rebooted everything seemed to work and pcmcia said [ OK ] on boot
but when I try to modprobe pcmcia_core.o it says it cannot find it.

--
Benjamin Arai <benjamin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Araisoft Corp.

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Message: 17
Subject: installing packages omitted from initial install
From: Don <dnrlinux@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:49 -0800
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

I installed FC1 as a text install, via ftp. I thought I selected
"install everything", but now I go to install a program and it says no
compiler is available etc.

I can ssh to the machine and use the cli (root as required), but I don't
know what commands to use to get it to install more things.

I know the ftp site (it's one of my servers) so that's not a problem...
but what I'd really like is if I can just install everything that's
missing....

Any suggestions for how to do that via cli?

Thanks,
Don

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:35:00 -0600 (CST)
From: fedora <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: wow ask and ye shall recieve
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx


earlier i was asking about the kernel updates. just checked and the
updates are there now for RH (for those still migrating).

Looks like ill be loading these onto the lab images for the next bit and
let the systems 'burn-in' overnight before scheduling outages.

thanks for the great work,

-Greg

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:00:30 -0500
From: Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: wow ask and ye shall recieve
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

fedora (fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) said:
> earlier i was asking about the kernel updates. just checked and the
> updates are there now for RH (for those still migrating).

The fedora updates are not for the do_brk() bug; that was already
fixed in the release kernel; this is various other fixes, including
the 440GX interrout routing fix.

Bill

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:52:00 -0600
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux
From: jbn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Matthew Zimmerman wrote: > Yeah, it seems that the most critical issue is the amount of memory, > especially running XFree86 + GNOME or KDE. I have an old Celeron 500 MHz, > 10 GB disk, integrated (i810) audio and video, and the only thing I > had to do to get it running FC1 quite useably was upgrading the memory > to 192 MB (from 64 MB).

There's a US$77 Dell computer with similar specs on ComputerGeeks.com right now. It has a 500MHz Intel Celeron and comes with 128MB RAM and a 6GB hard drive. It can hold 512MB max RAM and (after a BIOS update, still available at Dell) you could put in a larger hard drive. At $77 for the computer, each 256MB RAM stick costs roughly as much as the machine. I'm considering buying one, maxing out the RAM and loading FC1 on it for a relative of mine.

The weakest part of that machine is its lack of AGP port and weak video hardware (with the built-in video hardware you only get 24-bit color at 800x600). Adding some older PCI videocard should fix the video problems and cost roughly $20 more. It has built-in sound hardware and a built-in NIC too. I hope these work well with FC1.

I searched around and found a retailer who will sell a 1.1GHz Pentium III
CPU replacement that is said to be a drop-in replacement for the Celeron.

If anyone has tried these machines, I'd appreciate an e-mail on how well
they work with any recent GNU/Linux distribution.

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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:09:06 -0500
From: "M.Hockings" <veeshooter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

David L Norris wrote:

>On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 21:02, Jim Taylor wrote:
>
>
>>I live in a rural area and am getting people interested in Linux.  We're
>>thinking of starting up a Linux club, and I'd like to know of the
>>experiences of others in sizing a system to run Fedora -- that is, the
>>LOW END starter system suitable for a start-up Linux club.
>>
>>
>
>Depends on the use of the computer.  Epiphany, Evolution, Gnumeric,
>Abiword, and similar lightweight programs work well on slow machines.
>Large programs like OpenOffice and Mozilla would not work so well on a
>slow system.
>
>I think some work needs to be done on the package sets and dependencies
>in Fedora Core.  None of the provided packages sets (Personal,
>Workstation, etc) work well as a desktop on older hardware.
>
>I've managed to build my own custom install CD with only a basic system
>and GNOME.  The install CD is about 355 MB.  It consumes 1 GB of hard
>disk space after install.  Once installed you can add any additional
>software you need from the full 3 CD set or the YUM repositories.  This
>system is running GNOME and various office applications very well on a
>Compaq Deskpro 75 MHz with 64 MB RAM.  Also, F10 at the graphical login
>screen will allow me to open the XDMCP host chooser and login to a
>faster machine over the LAN using the P75 as a dumb X display.
>
>
>
>>I was thinking of:
>>-motherboard with 2xUSB, serial port(s), and whatever else comes with
>>motherboards these days (low end) like integrated 10/100 Ethernet
>>- AMD processor, 700 MHZ (that seems to be the low-end in the shop I
>>visited)
>>- graphics adapter (2D graphics, maybe "gee-whiz gaming graphics" ?)
>>- 30GB hard drive
>>- basic tower case, 200 to 300 watt power supply, not-too-noisy fan
>>
>>
>
>That would be a wonderful system, I think.  Especially if you take the
>time to remove/disable all services you don't need.  Removing unused
>services (sendmail, etc) from the default install will greatly reduce
>the RAM requirements.
>
David,

Where can I read about the steps that required to make the reduced
install CD.  That sounds like something I'd like to set up.

Kind regards,

Mike

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Message: 22
Subject: Re: installing packages omitted from initial install
From: Iain Buchanan <iain@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:41:27 +0930
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx


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On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 13:03, Don wrote:
> I installed FC1 as a text install, via ftp. I thought I selected
> "install everything", but now I go to install a program and it says no
> compiler is available etc.
[snip]
> I know the ftp site (it's one of my servers) so that's not a problem...
> but what I'd really like is if I can just install everything that's
> missing....

The easiest way would be to use redhat-config-packages with the --tree
option, and then select everything.

Alternatively, you could do it by hand, which requires some playing
around to get it right:

If you can somehow mount the install directory containing the rpms
(which should be easy if its one of yours, eg by nfs) then you can just

cd <wherever>
rpm -Uvh *rpm

and _every_ rpm in that directory will be installed if not so already.=20
This can also be used to update rpms.  Be careful with rpms that are
compiled for multiple archs, and kernel rpms.  Do these first.  You
should probably do somethimg more like

rpm -Uvh [^k]*i686.rpm
then all the k*rpm that aren't kernel ones, then
rpm -Uvh [^k]*i386.rpm

(Conversely, to only update rpms that have previously been installed,
use `rpm -Fvh *rpm`)

HTH,
--=20
Iain Buchanan <iain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only
specification is that it should run noiselessly.

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Message: 23
Subject: Re: Install problems
From: Clifford Snow <glass-art@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:28:13 -0800
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx


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On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 18:03, Jeffrey Siegel wrote: > I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a win= dow > showing me the cd and does nothing.

You didn't give us much information to go on.  Are you trying to upgrade
an existing Redhat system?  Are you trying to install Fedora over
MSWindows? =20

If it is an upgrade, you should consider a fresh install.  But to just
upgrade, insert disc 1 and reboot the system.  It will prompt you.=20
(Your system needs to be able to boot from a CD, if not you will need to
create a boot floppy.)

If this is an MSWindows system, you can also just insert disc 1 and
follow the prompts and Fedora will reformat your HD giving you a fresh
install.

You best bet is to give us a better explanation of what you are trying
to accomplish.

Clifford

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Message: 24
From: "WA9ALS - John" <wa9als@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Install problems
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:30:28 -0500
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

You need to boot from that cdrom.

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From: "Jeffrey Siegel" <freaky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: Install problems


>
> I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a
window
> showing me the cd and does nothing.
>
>
> --
> fedora-list mailing list
> fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
>


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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:31:47 -0600
From: Clif Smith <fedora@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Building your own rpm/apt/yum repository
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

As usual, I'm probably over-complicating the issue...

Here's my dilemma.  I need to QA software against various versions of my
own company's software.  Being that the versions come out at different
times, I need to be able to build system1 with all updates as of
software version1's release and then build system2 with all updates as
of software version2's release.  While I could image/clone/ghost/etc.
systems various ways, I'd rather be able to build from scratch if needed
as I get newer hardware from time to time which makes having a constant
image a hassle.

So, I'm thinking of magical apt/yum repositories which I could call on
to do the heavy lifting.  I'm assuming apt or yum as they'll handle the
various dependencies so that everything is installed in the right order
without a lot of trial and error.

Ideas?

cjs


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Message: 26
Subject: Re: installing packages omitted from initial install
From: Don <dnrlinux@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:38:42 -0800
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:11, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> The easiest way would be to use redhat-config-packages with the --tree
> option, and then select everything.

I tried that and get this error:
[root@rocky root]# redhat-config-packages --tree
Unable to import gtk module.  This may be due to running without
$DISPLAY set.  Exception was:
could not open display
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/redhat-config-packages/MainWindow.py", line 11, in ?
    sys.exit(0)
NameError: name 'sys' is not defined


I never did get X installed on that system... I use ssh to come in from
another (bigger/faster/more capable) machine.


> Alternatively, you could do it by hand, which requires some playing
> around to get it right:
>
> If you can somehow mount the install directory containing the rpms
> (which should be easy if its one of yours, eg by nfs) then you can just
>

That sounds cool, but I don't know how to do that. The ftp server is on
a Win2000 machine..... I'm working toward an all-linux set up, but
that's anothr story.

> cd <wherever>
> rpm -Uvh *rpm

That sounds the simplest.... all I need now is to learn how to mount a
windows folder over the network.... Ill see what I can find ...

Thanks,
Don

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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:48:39 -0800
From: Gordon Messmer <yinyang@xxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: less and LESSCHARSET=latin1 and scandinavian chars are &
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Jani Ollikainen wrote:
>
>> Hate those translations, and i don't think that utf-8 is here atm.
>
> And why do you think that?  Based on your own experience, I'd say that
> locale-specific encodings are "here" atm.  UTF-8 is the one true path.

I meant "are not 'here'", of course.

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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:34:23 -0800
From: John McBride <jmcbride@xxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: PCMCIA NIC
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

> On 30/11/03 David C. Hart did say:
>
>
>>Does anyone have a cardbus PCMCIA NIC that actually WORKS?
>
>
be warned my NetGear FA511 10/100 PCMCIA network card worked fine in RH9
but failed miserably in FC1. This was due to some kind of problem in the
graphical boot sequence. the workarounds are one of the following:

1) reinsert the card after boot to get it working,
2) or set "GRAPHICAL=no" in /etc/sysconfig/init,
3) or apply the patch listed in the bugzilla entry (search for it).

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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:51:44 -0500
From: Robert L Cochran <cochranb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Install problems
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Put the CD in the drive again. When the window opens, read the file
README. Note that it mentions a web site and gives some quick
installation-related suggestions. Then head to the web site. There you
will find help for installing Fedora Core. Be sure to read the file
RELEASE-NOTES.html as well. Read from the start and finish at the end of
the file.

Your best bet with installing any Linux distro is to read the
documentation first.

Bob

Jeffrey Siegel wrote:

> I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a window > showing me the cd and does nothing. > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > >

--
Bob Cochran
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/


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Message: 30
Subject: Re: installing packages omitted from initial install
From: Iain Buchanan <iain@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:22:26 +0930
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx


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On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 14:08, Don wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:11, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>=20
> > The easiest way would be to use redhat-config-packages with the --tree
> > option, and then select everything.
>=20
> I tried that and get this error:
[snip]
> I never did get X installed on that system... I use ssh to come in from
> another (bigger/faster/more capable) machine.

Ah, yes.  That a graphical program, so it will only work with X.

> > Alternatively, you could do it by hand, which requires some playing > > around to get it right: > >=20 > > If you can somehow mount the install directory containing the rpms > > (which should be easy if its one of yours, eg by nfs) then you can just >=20 > That sounds cool, but I don't know how to do that. The ftp server is on > a Win2000 machine..... I'm working toward an all-linux set up, but > that's anothr story. >=20 > > cd <wherever> > > rpm -Uvh *rpm >=20 > That sounds the simplest.... all I need now is to learn how to mount a > windows folder over the network.... Ill see what I can find ...

If you have physical access to the machine, you could insert the cd's
into the drive, and cd (change directory) to each cd (compact disc :)
one by one.  This may leave some dependacy problems across cd's so
alternatively you could copy all rpms to a temporary folder, and do it
that way.

Thinking about it a bit more, you can copy them via ftp to a local
folder, and then do the rpm thing.

HTH,
--=20
Iain Buchanan <iain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Thus spake the master programmer:
	"Time for you to leave."
		-- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"

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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:58:18 -0800
From: Gordon Messmer <yinyang@xxxxxxxxx>
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Solution to pine/pico install, libcom_err.so.3 dependency
Reply-To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx

Nejaa Halcyon wrote:
> So would my origional solution (recompiling every piece of software that
> needs libcom_err.so.3) be the only "stable" solution?

Yes, that's correct.  You either must recompile each application so that
it no longer requires the missing library.  You actually have the option
of installing the old kerberos libraries in an application specific
location (perhaps /opt/kerberos-rhl9/) and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to make
sure that they're used:

env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kerberos-rhl9/lib ./pine

However, this solution can be much more complicated to get right.  In
this instance, if I have this right (and I may not, I'm only discussing
this for completeness, and not to encourage you to actually do this),
you'd need all of the old krb5 libs in that directory, not just
libcom_err.so.3.

While pine would load fine with just libcom_err.so.3 in the special
library path, kbr5's libs (from Fedora, this time) would also load in
libcom_err.so.2.  Symbol resolution would be unreliable; sometimes pine
would work fine because the symbols in Fedora's krb5 libs would be
resolved correctly to those from libcom_err.so.2, and sometimes pine
would crash when using Kerberos because the symbols would be resolved to
those from libcom_err.so.3.


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