While it's true they have fallen down a bit on this, and it certainly doesn't look good, I'll defend RedHat a bit, here. If I understand correctly, RHAS 2.1 is made of of completely open source software, with the exception of the Sun (and IBM?) Java runtime. RHAS 3.0, as I understand it, is not shipping with a Java VM and I have not heard of any new proprietary stuff being included. i.e. I think the RHEL 3.0 line will be 100% Open Source. This tells me two things: 1. RedHat is one hell of a great Open Source company and truly believes in Open Source. 2. RHLP is vitally important to the future of the RHEL line. I understand, and even share, the concerns that people have expressed. And RedHat does need to act soon. But I still have (almost) complete confidence that things will come together. They probably should have waited until just after the release of RH10 to make the announcement. Announcing the RHLP right at the same time as they are coming out with a beta1 was, to say the least, an awkward move. It may well be that someone at RedHat was *too* excited about the RHLP. On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:28, Magnus wrote: > The point he raised was dodged, though. And it was a good one. RHAT > made announcements and such that are, to date, coming up short in the > action department. A lot of people are in a holding pattern right now > trying to decide whether to contribute to the RHL project or to spend > their time elsewhere. >