On Thursday, 12 July 2007 08:43, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>
> > Andrew Morton wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:30:31 +0000
> >> "Huang, Ying" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > 1. Boot a kernel A
> >> > 2. Work under kernel A
> >> > 3. Kexec another kernel B in kernel A
> >> > 4. Work under kernel B
> >> > 5. Jump from kernel B to kernel A
> >> > 6. Continue work under kernel A
> >> >
> >> > This is the first step to implement kexec based hibernation. If the
> >> > memory image of kernel A is written to or read from a permanent media
> >> > in step 4, a preliminary version of kexec based hibernation can be
> >> > implemented.
> >> >
> >> > The kernel B is run as a crashdump kernel in reserved memory
> >> > region. This is the biggest constrains of the patch. It is planed to
> >> > be eliminated in the next version. That is, instead of reserving memory
> >> > region previously, the needed memory region is backuped before kexec
> >> > and restored after jumping back.
> >> >
> >> > Another constrains of the patch is that the CONFIG_ACPI must be turned
> >> > off to make kexec jump work. Because ACPI will put devices into low
> >> > power state, the kexeced kernel can not be booted properly under
> >> > it. This constrains can be eliminated by separating the suspend method
> >> > and hibernation method of the devices as proposed earlier in the LKML.
> >> >
> >> > The kexec jump is implemented in the framework of software suspend. In
> >> > fact, the kexec based hibernation can be seen as just implementing the
> >> > image writing and reading method of software suspend with a kexeced
> >> > Linux kernel.
> >> >
> >
> > I guess I'm (still) confused by the terminology here. Do you mean that it
> > fits into suspend-to-disk as a disk-writing mechanism, or in suspend-to-ram
> > as a way of going to sleep?
>
> Suspend-to-ram involves stopping the system and shutting down devices to
> go into low-power mode, then on wakeup restarting devices and resuming
> operation
>
> so the steps would be.
>
> 1. stop userspace
>
> 2. walk the system device tree and put devices to sleep
>
> 3. go into the lowest power mode available and wait for a wakeup signal
>
> later
>
> 4. walk the system device tree and wake up devices
>
> 5. resume userspace scheduling.
Note that we are going to phase out steps 1 and 5.
> note that what devices get put to sleep could be configurable, potentially
> to the extreme of things like the OLPC (that have hardware designed for
> cheap sleeping) going into a light suspend-to-ram state between keystrokes
> if nothing else has a timer event scheduled before that.
>
> Suspend-do-disk (Hibernate) involves stopping the system, makeing a
> snapshot of ram, writing the snapshot to somewhere and powering off the
> box. on wakeup (power-on) a helper kernel boots, loads the snapshot into
> ram and jumps to the kernel in the snapshot to resume operation.
>
> as I understand the proposal the thought is to do the following
>
> 1. system kernel does suspend-to-ram to put the devices into a known safe
> state.
Not necessarily suspend-to-RAM. I'd much prefer it if devices were not put
into low power states but quiesced (ie. no DMA, no interrupts).
> 2. system kernel uses kexec to start hibernate kernel
>
> 3. hibernate kernel wakes up devices it needs as if it was doing a
> resume-from-ram
I think that the devices should be initialized from scratch in this step.
> 4. hibernate kernel copies ram image somewhere
In this step some userland may be involved (started from the "hibernate"
kernel).
> 5. hibernate kernel shuts down the box
>
> later
>
> 6. hibernate kernel boots
>
> 7. hibernate kernel copies ram image from somewhere
>
> 8. hibernate kernel does syspend-to-ram to put the devices into a known
> safe state.
Again, the devices should be quiesced rather then suspended in this step.
> 9. hibernate kernel uses kexec to start system kernel
>
> 10. system kernel wakes up devices it needs as if it was doing a
> resume-from-ram.
I think it should reconfigure devices from scratch (ie. reprobe).
> >> > Now, only the i386 architecture is supported. The patch is based on
> >> > Linux kernel 2.6.22, and has been tested on my IBM T42.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This sounds awesome. Am I correct in expecting that ultimately the
> >> existing hibernation implementation just goes away and we reuse (and hence
> >> strengthen) the existing kexec (and kdump?) infrastructure?
> >>
> >> And that we get hibernation support almost for free on all kexec (and
> >> relocatable-kernel?) capable architectures?
> >>
> >> And that all the management of hibernation and resume happens in
> >> userspace?
>
> this is the thought.
>
> >> I didn't understand the ACPI problem. Does this mean that CONFIG_ACPI
> >> must
> >> be disabled in the to-be-hibernated kernel, or in the little transient
> >> kexec kernel?
> >>
> >
> > I think the point is that if kernel A says "I'm suspending" and calls the
> > suspend method on all its devices, then kernel B finds that it has no powered
> > on devices to work with. But then couldn't it turn on the ones it wants
> > anyway? And don't you want to suspend them, to make sure they're not still
> > DMAing memory while B is trying to shuffle everything off to disk?
>
> I don't understand the ACPI problem so I can't try to clarify it.
>
> > It does sound pretty cool.
>
> re-useing existing components in new ways, making it so that particular
> problems only have to be solved once and that solution is used repeatedly.
> there's a lot to like about this approach.
>
> very cool.
Well, I'm not a big fan of it right now, but well, it looks doable in general.
Greetings,
Rafael
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