On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:51:06AM -0700, [email protected] wrote:
you snippede the bit about not knowing how to stop it
I did? As far as I can tell I quoted it all. What did I miss?
they call the section the anti-tivoization, how much more explicit can
they get?
They could be as explicit as:
You can't use this code if you cooporate with anyone that requires
DRM systems.
I think their earlier versions did say this.
All their attempts to define user devices and such is just going to
screw up and miss some things they wanted covered, and disallow things
they didn't intend to disallow (assuming there is any such thing).
by the way, just in case anyone is misunderstanding me. I don't believe
for a moment that all these anti-tamper features actually work in the real
world (the PS3 hacking kits are proof of the lengths people will go to to
make the 'hard' hardware-level hacking trivial to do) but the approach
needs to be at secure modulo hardware tampering or software bugs.
DRM is completely pointless. It only stops casual end users from doing
things. It doesn't stop anyone with any technical clue from doing
things. I keep hoping one day the people in charge at the big media
companies will understand this, and stop asking for people to implement
it. Of course in the mean time there are companies perfectly willing to
claim to have unbreakable DRM for sale, while knowing full well (if they
are competent) that it is a lie. So as long as the people in charge at
big media are clueless about technology, and as long as there are
companies willing to lie to them for money, then we will probably
continue to have DRM crap to deal with.
DRM does have some legitimate uses, for example redhat installations not
installing unsigned software is a form of DRM
I don't think the GPLv3 is the place to try to remove DRM. What the FSF
should be doing is try to educate the people who are advocating the use
of DRM about the fact that it can't ever work. You can make more and
more stupid laws about how people can't remove the DRM, but people who
break copyright obviously already are breaking the law, so what is the
point in having more lows for them to break. That is where this problem
should be fought, not in the GPLv3. The GPLv3 is never going to solve
the problem, only educating people can do that.
this is exactly what most of the people who are arguing against this
provision are saying.
David Lang
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