On Friday 15 June 2007 06:18:59 David Greaves wrote:
> Daniel Hazelton wrote:
> >> Now for a different PoV:
> >> Do I think Tivoisation is bad for the community ?
> >> Of course I think it is but your mileage may vary.
> >
> > And I happen to agree with you. What I disagree with is taking steps to
> > make "bad == illegal". I also have a problem with doing things that force
> > my viewpoint on other people.
>
> Surely it's more:
> bad == go away and don't use future improvements to our software anymore
> please. ??
I agree. I stated it in the terms I did because Alexandre originally
brought "ethics and morality" into the discussion. Not that my word choice is
wrong at all - violating a copyright license is, after all, illegal.
> *If* you think it's bad (Linus doesn't as far as the kernel goes) then
> isn't it reasonable to exclude 'bad for the community' from the community?
I agree that it is "bad for the community". The impression I've gotten from
reading the GPLv3, reading transcripts of interviews with RMS, reading
transcripts of interview with Eben Moglen *and* from the FSFLA members
participating in this discussion the reason for the anti-tivoization language
in GPLv3 isn't "its bad for the community" but "we find it ethically and
morally wrong". That being the reason, what they are saying with the language
in the GPLv3 is "this is bad/evil and things that are bad/evil should be
illegal".
> This isn't retroactive - they can continue to use any V2 software they had,
> they wouldn't be able to use V3 developments.
>
> That seems to me to be a very, very reasonable thing to do (and very much
> *not* bad == illegal IMHO)
:) Same here
> David
>
> PS well, I was just seeing if anyone had fixed my libata/md bug yet but
> this seemed more interesting.
It is. Consumed a solid six-hour stretch of my day (5PM EDT to 11PM EDT, June
14, 2007) (FYI: EDT is UTC - 4)
> PPS and Tejun has, I'm off...
Good for you!
DRH
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