On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:53:39PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Willy Tarreau <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Forking becomes very slow above a load of 100 it seems. Sometimes, the
> > shell takes 2 or 3 seconds to return to prompt after I run "scheddos
> > &"
>
> this might be changed/impacted by the parent-requeue fix that is in the
> updated (for real, promise! ;) patch. Right now on CFS a forking parent
> shares its own run stats with the child 50%/50%. This means that heavy
> forkers are indeed penalized. Another logical choice would be 100%/0%: a
> child has to earn its own right.
>
> i kept the 50%/50% rule from the old scheduler, but maybe it's a more
> pristine (and smaller/faster) approach to just not give new children any
> stats history to begin with. I've implemented an add-on patch that
> implements this, you can find it at:
>
> http://redhat.com/~mingo/cfs-scheduler/sched-fair-fork.patch
Not tried yet, it already looks better with the update and sched-fair-hog.
Now xterm open "instantly" even with 1000 running processes.
> > Those are very promising results, I nearly observe the same
> > responsiveness as I had on a solaris 10 with 10k running processes on
> > a bigger machine.
>
> cool and thanks for the feedback! (Btw., as another test you could also
> try to renice "scheddos" to +19. While that does not push the scheduler
> nearly as hard as nice 0, it is perhaps more indicative of how a truly
> abusive many-tasks workload would be run in practice.)
Good idea. The machine I'm typing from now has 1000 scheddos running at +19,
and 12 gears at nice 0. Top keeps reporting different cpu usages for all gears,
but I'm pretty sure that it's a top artifact now because the cumulated times
are roughly identical :
14:33:13 up 13 min, 7 users, load average: 900.30, 443.75, 177.70
1088 processes: 80 sleeping, 1008 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU0 states: 56.0% user 43.0% system 23.0% nice 0.0% iowait 0.0% idle
CPU1 states: 94.0% user 5.0% system 0.0% nice 0.0% iowait 0.0% idle
Mem: 1034764k av, 223788k used, 810976k free, 0k shrd, 7192k buff
104400k active, 51904k inactive
Swap: 497972k av, 0k used, 497972k free 68020k cached
PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND
1325 root 20 0 69240 9400 3740 R 27.6 0.9 4:46 1 X
1412 willy 20 0 6284 2552 1740 R 14.2 0.2 1:09 1 glxgears
1419 willy 20 0 6256 2384 1612 R 10.7 0.2 1:09 1 glxgears
1409 willy 20 0 2824 1940 788 R 8.9 0.1 0:25 1 top
1414 willy 20 0 6280 2544 1728 S 8.9 0.2 1:08 0 glxgears
1415 willy 20 0 6256 2376 1600 R 8.9 0.2 1:07 1 glxgears
1417 willy 20 0 6256 2384 1612 S 8.9 0.2 1:05 1 glxgears
1420 willy 20 0 6284 2552 1740 R 8.9 0.2 1:07 1 glxgears
1410 willy 20 0 6256 2372 1600 S 7.1 0.2 1:11 1 glxgears
1413 willy 20 0 6260 2388 1612 S 7.1 0.2 1:08 0 glxgears
1416 willy 20 0 6284 2544 1728 S 6.2 0.2 1:06 0 glxgears
1418 willy 20 0 6252 2384 1612 S 6.2 0.2 1:09 0 glxgears
1411 willy 20 0 6280 2548 1740 S 5.3 0.2 1:15 1 glxgears
1421 willy 20 0 6280 2536 1728 R 5.3 0.2 1:05 1 glxgears
>From time to time, one of the 12 aligned gears will quickly perform a full
quarter of round while others slowly turn by a few degrees. In fact, while
I don't know this process's CPU usage pattern, there's something useful in
it : it allows me to visually see when process accelerate/deceleraet. What
would be best would be just a clock requiring low X ressources and eating
vast amounts of CPU between movements. It will help visually monitor CPU
distribution without being too much impacted by X.
I've just added another 100 scheddos at nice 0, and the system is still
amazingly usable. I just tried exchanging a 1-byte token between 188 "dd"
processes which communicate through circular pipes. The context switch
rate is rather high but this has no impact on the rest :
willy@pcw:c$ dd if=/tmp/fifo bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | dd bs=1 | (echo -n a;dd bs=1) | dd bs=1 of=/tmp/fifo
procs memory swap io system cpu
r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id
1105 0 1 0 781108 8364 68180 0 0 0 12 5 82187 59 41 0
1114 0 1 0 781108 8364 68180 0 0 0 0 0 81528 58 42 0
1112 0 1 0 781108 8364 68180 0 0 0 0 1 80899 58 42 0
1113 0 1 0 781108 8364 68180 0 0 0 0 26 83466 58 42 0
1106 0 2 0 781108 8376 68168 0 0 0 8 91 83193 58 42 0
1107 0 1 0 781108 8376 68180 0 0 0 4 7 79951 58 42 0
1106 0 1 0 781108 8376 68180 0 0 0 0 46 80939 57 43 0
1114 0 1 0 781108 8376 68180 0 0 0 0 21 82019 56 44 0
1116 0 1 0 781108 8376 68180 0 0 0 0 16 85134 56 44 0
1114 0 3 0 781108 8388 68168 0 0 0 16 20 85871 56 44 0
1112 0 1 0 781108 8388 68168 0 0 0 0 15 80412 57 43 0
1112 0 1 0 781108 8388 68180 0 0 0 0 101 83002 58 42 0
1113 0 1 0 781108 8388 68180 0 0 0 0 25 82230 56 44 0
Playing with the sched_max_hog_history_ns does not seem to change anything.
Maybe it's useful for other workloads. Anyway, I have nothing to complain
about, because it's not common for me to be able to normally type a mail on
a system with more than 1000 running processes ;-)
Also, mixed with this load, I have started injecting HTTP requests between
two local processes. The load is stable at 7700 req/s (11800 when alone),
and what I was interested in is the response time. It's perfectly stable
between 9.0 and 9.4 ms with a standard deviation of about 6.0 ms. Those were
varying a lot under stock scheduler, with some sessions sometimes pausing
for seconds. (RSDL fixed this though).
Well, I'll stop heating the room for now as I get out of ideas about how
to defeat it. I'm convinced. I'm impatient to read about Mike's feedback
with his workload which behaves strangely on RSDL. If it works OK here,
it will be the proof that heuristics should not be needed.
Congrats !
Willy
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