On Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:31, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 07:38:31AM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > Hi.
> > On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 22:35 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 26 September 2006 22:14, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 12:45:00AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > >...
> > > > > solid)
> > > > > apart from HIGHMEM64G fiasco, and related agpgart fiasco long
> > > > > time before that... these are driver problems...
> > > > >...
> > > >
> > > > One point that seems to be a bit forgotten is that driver problems do
> > > > actually matter a lot:
> > > >
> > > > I for one do not care much whether I can abort suspending (I can always
> > > > resume) or whether dancing penguins are displayed during suspending -
> > > > but the fact that my saa7134 card only outputs the picture but no sound
> > > > after resuming from suspend-to-disk is a real show-stopper for me.
> > Agreed that some things are more important than others. But to some
> > people, user interface does matter. After all, we want (well I want)
> > people considering converting from Windows to see that free software can
> > be better than proprietary stuff, not just imitate what they're doing.
> > Suspend2 doesn't actually provide dancing penguins while suspending -
> > it's a simple progress bar in either pure text or overlayed on an image
> > of your choosing.
> > The support for aborting is really just fall out from the work on
> > debugging and testing failure paths.
> Sorry if this sounded as if I was against improvements of suspend.
> That was not my intention.
> But as long as there are driver problems, suspend as a whole can not be
> called solid. The core itself might be solid or not, but without working
> drivers this doesn't buy users much.
> A user might be impressed by a progress bar on a nifty image, but if one
> or more of his drivers have problems with suspend the user won't get a
> good impression of Linux.
Very true, but is there a good solution to this problem? If you have any
ideas, please go forward with them. :-)
> How many driver problems with suspend are buried in emails and
> Bugzillas (will problems like kernel Bugzilla #6035 ever be debugged?)?
I've been trying to follow them for quite some time and some of them has
been resolved recently. Still to follow a bug report _I_ need to know there
is one. I mean, if a bug is redirected to
[email protected]sdl.org, for example, who will be notified
of the report?
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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