Re: [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108

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Which brings back the point of static tracepoints being entirely
subjective. By this line of reasoning, you define for other people what
the useful tracepoints are, and couldn't care less which points they're
actually interested in. How exactly is this serving the need of people
looking for instrumentation, rather than a pre-canned view of what they
can trace? If they already have to go with their own tracepoints for the
things they're interested in, then having a few static points
pre-existing doesn't really buy anyone much else either, especially if
by your own admission you're not integrating the points that people
_are_ interested in.

They're not *entirely* subjective, though I agree some are. I find the
fact that Andrew Morton, myself, and apparently several other people have all instrumented the memory reclaim code to tell you *why* it's
failing to reclaim pages at various points in time slightly amusing,
but also rather depressing. It's all rather a waste of effort.

Moreover, subsystem experts know what needs to be traced in order to
give useful information, and the users may not. It's a damned sight
easier for them to say "oh, please turn on tracing for VM events
and send me the output" than custom-construct a set of probes for
that user, and send them off. There's a barrier to entry that just
won't happen there.

Hell, look at all the debug printks in the kernel for example, and
the various small add-hoc tracing facilities. If all we do is unite
those, it'll still be a step forwards.

I'm not indicating that you didn't do exactly what you should have in
this situation, only that static tracepoints in general are only going
to be a small part of the picture, and not a complete solution to most
people on their own. Dynamic instrumentation fills the same sort of gap
without worrying about arbitrary maintenance, so what exactly does
shoving static instrumentation in to the kernel buy us?

Dynamic probes do NOT reduce maintenance, they increase it. They just
push it into somebody else's lap, where it's done more inefficiently.
That's not a solution. The question is what's add-hoc debug for a
particular problem vs. what's generically useful. I refuse to believe
that the subsystem maintainers are too stupid to be able to make that
judgement call.

M.

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