On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 18:10 -0700, Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 17:39 -0700, Rohit Seth wrote:
> <snip>
> > > yes, it would be there, but is not heavy, IMO.
> >
> > I think anything greater than 1% could be a concern for people who are
> > not very interested in containers but would be forced to live with them.
>
> If they are not interested in resource management and/or containers, i
> do not think they need to pay.
> >
Think of a single kernel from a vendor that has container support built
in.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And anything running outside a container should be limited by default
> > > > > > Linux settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > note that the resource available to the default RG will be (total system
> > > > > resource - allocated to RGs).
> > > >
> > > > I think it will be preferable to not change the existing behavior for
> > > > applications that are running outside any container (in your case
> > > > default resource group).
> > >
> > > hmm, when you provide QoS for a set of apps, you will affect (the
> > > resource availability of) other apps. I don't see any way around it. Any
> > > ideas ?
> >
> > When I say, existing behavior, I mean not getting impacted by some
> > artificial limits that are imposed by container subsystem. IOW, if a
>
> That is what I understood and replied above.
> > sysadmin is okay to have certain apps running outside of container then
> > he is basically forgoing any QoS for any container on that system.
>
> Not at all. If the container they are interested in is guaranteed, I do
> not see how apps running outside a container would affect them.
>
Because the kernel (outside the container subsystem) doesn't know of
these guarantees...unless you modify the page allocator to have another
variant of overcommit memory.
> <snip>
> > > > > Not really.
> > > > > - Each RG will have a guarantee and limit of each resource.
> > > > > - default RG will have (system resource - sum of guarantees)
> > > > > - Every RG will be guaranteed some amount of resource to provide QoS
> > > > > - Every RG will be limited at "limit" to prevent DoS attacks.
> > > > > - Whoever doesn't care either of those set them to don't care values.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For the cases that put this don't care, do you depend on existing
> > > > reclaim algorithm (for memory) in kernel?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > So one container with these don't care condition(s) can turn the whole
> > guarantee thing bad. Because existing kernel reclaimer does not know
> > about memory commitments to other containers. Right?
>
> No, the reclaimer would free up pages associated with the don't care RGs
> ( as the user don't care about the resource made available to them).
>
And how will the kernel reclaimer know which RGs are don't care?
-rohit
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