Re: [PATCH] mm: Implement swap prefetching tweaks

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Con Kolivas wrote:
On Saturday 11 March 2006 10:11, Peter Williams wrote:

Andrew Morton wrote:

Con Kolivas <[email protected]> wrote:

+	/*
+	 * get_page_state is super expensive so we only perform it every
+	 * SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX prefetched_pages.

nr_running() is similarly expensive btw.


	 * We also test if we're the only
+	 * task running anywhere. We want to have as little impact on all
+	 * resources (cpu, disk, bus etc). As this iterates over every cpu
+	 * we measure this infrequently.
+	 */
+	if (!(sp_stat.prefetched_pages % SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX)) {
+		unsigned long cpuload = nr_running();
+
+		if (cpuload > 1)
+			goto out;

Sorry, this is just wrong.  If swap prefetch is useful then it's also
useful if some task happens to be sitting over in the corner calculating
pi.

On SMP systems, something based on the run queues' raw_weighted_load
fields (comes with smpnice patch) might be more useful than nr_running()
as it contains information about the priority of the running tasks.
Perhaps (raw_weighted_load() > SCHED_LOAD_SCALE) or some variation,
where raw_weighted_load() is the sum of that field for all CPUs) would
suffice.  It would mean "there's more than the equivalent of one nice==0
task running" and shouldn't be any more expensive than nr_running().
Dividing SCHED_LOAD_SCALE by some number would be an obvious variation
to try as would taking into account this process's contribution to the
weighted load.

Also if this was useful there's no real reason that raw_weighted_load
couldn't be made available on non SMP systems as well as SMP ones.


That does seem reasonable, but I'm looking at total system load, not per runqueue. So a global_weighted_load() function would be required to return that.

Just another thought here. Any function such as this and nr_running() will be highly racy unless you lock all run queues while running it and while you perform the action dependent on the result (which I presume you don't do). This means the answer you get back is probably wrong by the time you make a decision based on the answer.

So is there any reason that you can't make the decision inside the loop iterating over the CPUs on a per CPU basis? This would remove the raciness. The only thing that I can think of is that you're trying to avoid the cost of that loop but you'll wear most of that running global_weighted_load() or nr_running() anyway.

Because despite what anyone seems to want to believe, reading from disk hurts. Why it hurts so much I'm not really sure, but it's not a SCSI vs IDE with or without DMA issue. It's not about tweaking parameters. It doesn't seem to be only about cpu cycles. This is not a mistuned system that it happens on. It just plain hurts if we do lots of disk i/o, perhaps it's saturating the bus or something. Whatever it is, as much as I'd _like_ swap prefetch to just keep working quietly at ultra ultra low priority, the disk reads that swap prefetch does are not innocuous so I really do want them to only be done when nothing else wants cpu.

Cheers,
Con


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