Randy.Dunlap wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:01:39 +0800 Michael Clark wrote:
Peter Williams wrote:
Michael Clark wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:03 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 17:54, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 15:35 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
On Monday 26 December 2005 14:38, Steven Rostedt wrote:
[snip]
I use pine and evolution. Pine is text based and great when I
ssh into
my machine to work. Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine
and it
handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu
"Normal"
may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text files
"as-is").
This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right
thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping to the
inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch - at
least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this.
Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a
long time.
It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes
are left
untouched.
It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has
this
problem. AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline
patches and
even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a
serious
usability/UI issue.
Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to
SubmittingPatches be accepted? Then we can point the Mozilla
developers
at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far)
and
hopefully this will light a fire under someone.
Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps
AFTER you compose an email, not during composition. I've never
understood how, or why this is useful to the end user, except for
composing HTML emails (which should be banned anyway).
Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in
'Preformat' mode.
Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece
of software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express
(defaulting to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping pastes).
It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but
convincing the Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is
probably much harder.
Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into
"Preformat"
mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags.
Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' before
pasting patches into Thunderbird.
In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be
continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable). I couldn't find anything
in the preferences that altered this situation. What's the secret?
I'm selecting 'Preformat' in the email compose window and using regular
X Paste (middle button) - and it works for me (I can save the resulting
message to a .eml and diff it against the patch and it is perfect).
Perhaps the Debian/Sid Thunderbird has some patch? Don't know.
so where is this 'Preformat' option? I don't see it.
Nor me.
Note pasting from gnome terminal does not work (as it doesn't retain
tabs) nor does xclip work with Thunderbird for some reason. I use a
selection in emacs and paste that.
still not good.
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~Randy
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