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> Tim:
>>> One solution is to do what I do:  Subscribe twice.  Post from an
>>> address
>>> that nobody can post to (this yahoo address that I'm using auto-deletes
>>> all mail sent to it).
> [email protected]:
>> Post and receive? Or you make a copy/paste. Or... yes... let me remember
>> how it worked before I thought it was easier to use the https service of
>> Altern on the web instead of using my email client.
> Ah, the missing pieces of the puzzle...  Are you using a webmail service
> or a real email client program running on your computer?

I'm using the web interface in https mode because I had security problems
with pop. (pop works fine with my ISP, of course.)

> There's no cutting and pasting involved here.  I just hit reply, delete
> any quoted text that doesn't need to be in my reply, and ensure that the
> right "from" address is selected before posting the reply.

> Although I'm using a Yahoo address, here, (a) Yahoo still provides POP3
> access to their service where I am, in Australia.  And (b) Yahoo is the
> address I'm using for the "no mail" side of the equation.

And filtering on the "From" field prevents your standard inbox to be
flooded by the lists.

Thanks for you info on imap. I thought it was a secure protocol by default.

> Secure mail, for whatever mail protocol, involves connecting to the
> server through an encrypted link.

And https is a very handy no headache encrypted link. That's why I adopted

> Following the few working links in altern.org led to:
> http://lantre.org/faqmail/ (which seems to be the same people behind a
> different domain name),

Only Valentin Lacambre is behind Altern. A few years ago, he was even
offering hosting for free of up to 5 MB, which was the standard at the
time. Then, the French law obliged ISPs to play police with their users.
He couldn't afford that and it was the end of an epoch, of Altern as a
free hosting service.

People at lantre are friends of Valentin from that great period of
effervescence, but the FAQ is very outdated. As far as I can see, none of
the links to altern work and it now seems impossible to create a new

>> I remember having lots of problems using pop from altern.
> I've not had the greatest of luck using IMAP with some internet services
> (e.g. Fastmail.fm), but IMAP's great within my LAN.  I suspect lag
> between myself and the remote services, and a remote service that's
> underpowered for all of their clients.

My problems had to do wth security. At the time, a French guy who was to
become Debian Project Leader, had organized with the helpp of those he
himself called his "minions", the Dunk *B*ank in order to... slow down
Debian's release. (The Dunk *T*ank's purpose was to accelerate it. It's a
long story.) At the time, Planète Béranger was calling Debian, the Debian
Kindergarten. And it was.

The minions got their chief elected. He did one term, quite a bit of
interviews but was, as far as I can see, maintained in confinement as a
DPL. He didn't apply for a second mandate.

Of course, computer-wise, the guy was no twit. He started VLC as a student
project, for instance. Thereafter, I had two freshly installed Linux
system with a firewall -- one Debian and one Ubuntu -- brought down in
about 15 minutes while I was downloading streaming video. My root password
had disappeared!

I'm not computer savvy enough to do log analysis and I can't prove there's
any relation, neither to the fact that I could never register as a Debian
user while this shitload was DPL. I just put the facts side by side.

I soon found myself in the situation of a newbie going to OpenBSD site and
telling the guys they're a bunch of know-nothing, no-life, playing with
themselves jerks. I kinda felt some flac coming my way.

And one of my problems was with pop from Altern.

There's more to Linux's history than what you read in the books. Another
interesting page, for instance, would be how Luc Cottyn, the author of
Swaret, the marvelous update tool for Slackware that didn't necessitate
any change to its basic code and was making Slackware more popular by the
day, got completely distroyed by the so-called "community", and by the
rejection of The Man himself after a cabale was organize to make him look
like a fool.

The crossed piped geeks didn't like Swaret. It broke their systems, they
could manage dependencies and check md5sums by themselves and Swaret was
plain evil. Plain evil making magazines like OpenForBusiness and others
care about Slackware for the first time in years.

Swaret had to disappear! And disappear it did. Nobody talks about
Slackware anymore, except the crossed pipes club, of course.

Whatever they might pretend, Linux geeks, just as any- and every-body,
mostly prefer to forget.

That's how, after Bob Young left, I came to consider Fedora a valid
alternative. But SELinux had to mature and, then, my computer needed more

Here I am today, quite satisfied of what I find. You'll certainly
understand that my recriminations against email addresses being used
instead of user names in mailing lists is a very little beef compared to
what I've experienced with some freer than free distributions.

P.s.: Now, you have to excuse me, I really have to get out of this web

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