Re: [Fedora] Re: Semi OT: Subversion

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Les Mikesell wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:


Nobody should have the ability to update code owned by the next stage.

That's not possible with most version control systems. Everyone has

It's essential. You don't want everyone to be able to mess with production code.

I meant that no one ever changes anything that has ever been committed. Everyone makes changes in their own workspace and a commit becomes a new revision. Anyone can check out any revision that has ever been committed. So, each stage checks out their own appropriate revision or tagged copy based on the workflow regardless of what else is happening in the repository. It doesn't matter that someone can check in garbage, what matters is that the garbage revision not the one that QA tests/approves/tags to go to production.

How do you propose minimising the possibility of someone of ill intent making unauthorised changes?

With revision control systems, you always have access to all versions and the ability to see the differences between them and who made the changes (most useful with text/source). If something is important, I'd expect someone to review the changes as well as performing functional tests on any generated programs.

If I, a developer, can modify the repo outside the vcs system (which is what I said earlier), how then do you, in Production Control, guarantee its content?




Think what DoD, any big bank, Qantas, Westfield or any other significant business would expect?

Don't they outsource everything these days?

Hardly relevant. I don't think we do.


You've got unix filesystem permissions and SELinux at your disposal to control direct repository access. And the repository doesn't have to be on the same machine as any of the users.

Unix is weak. selinux is cumbersome.

Compared to?  How could you tell if something else is better?

Compared with tools I used in the 80s on another platform:

I used ACF/2 before it was CA-ACF2, and I can't find docs to refresh my mind.

Here's how to create two TSO users on z/OS:

ADDUSER (PAJ5 ESH25)

A TSO user has equivalent access to z/OS as a shell user has in Linux.
There's much more that one can specify, see http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ICHZA441/5.3?DT=20040416130942

To create a group:
ADDGROUP PROJECTA
See http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ICHZA441/5.1?DT=20040416130942

To connect a user to a group:
connect ESH25 group(projecta)
Note case is not significant.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ICHZA441/5.7?SHELF=&DT=20040416130942&CASE=

Give projecta members update access to a file, WJE10.DEPT2.DATA
PERMIT 'WJE10.DEPT2.DATA' ID(RESEARCH) ACCESS(UPDATE)
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ICHZA441/5.17?SHELF=&DT=20040416130942&CASE=

There are many things that _can_ be specified.

Any number of people could be given access to resources.

SQL has some fairly simple, effective primitives for controlling access to tables.

If I want to give an individual access to a file I am authorised to grant access to, then all I need to know is the name of my file, and the userid of the user. And the command.






If you don't trust your file access control, these don't matter much.


Nobody should trust anything they're not forced to: that's what Microsoft means when it talks of "trusted computing."

Why trust the people supplying something they happen to call "trusted"?

As I explained, at some point you must. Even then, you take every care. z/OS users trust IBM because IBM has a good reputation, and because they must. Even though the IBM software's imperfect.





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