On 10/17/07, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Arthur Pemberton wrote: > > >>>> SELinux may > >>>> APPEAR to be the root cause of all your problems. But it may only be > >>>> part of a chain reaction rooted somewhere else on your system. > >>>> SELinux may not be the cause, but perhaps the messenger, the visual > >>>> cue, the "chain" that you've now developed tunnel vision for and blame > >>>> for everything. > >>>> > >>> Turn off SELinux and you may actually be simply medicating the > >>> symptoms, not treating the root cause. > >> Yes, but there doesn't seem to be an exact science here, with weekly > >> updates being needed that break some things for some people... > > > > We have no evidence of that, at least not in the general fedora list. > > Maybe in the fedora-testing list. > > Umm, OK... I guess this thread doesn't exist. So now threads are automatically evidence of a real problem? The OP didn't even know whether or not SELinux was disabled/enabled till after the thread started > >> I think there is a good argument for understanding and using the simple > >> traditional unix security mechanisms that have served well for the last > >> 30 years until SELinux is stabilized to a point that it doesn't cause > >> surprises - especially if you run things that aren't included in the > >> distribution. > > > > Please don't start this crap again. > > I'll stop it when there is a methodology for someone to solve the kind > of problem that Karl reports. So you're going to base your argument on Karl's report? > With traditional unix security a few > simple checks can determine the status and any similar problem reported > to this list would have an immediate response with the fix or a test to > identify the problem. With this, we not only do not have an answer, in > the months this thread has continued, not only is there not a fix, no > one has produced a diagnostic test to even identify the issue. I don't agree, the OP simply doesn't follow instructions and so in capable of assisting with remote diagnosis. > How are you supposed to determine the 'correctness' of a given setup? I don't understand what you mean by this. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )
