Re: Sun Pours Out Java Cup

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On Monday 13 November 2006 16:45, Temlakos wrote:
> Kurt Wall wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 05:36:12PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>>On Monday 13 November 2006 19:05, temlakos@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>Sun did it! They released all versions of Java under GNU GPL v2. Read
> >>>>this article for the details. Now: what will happen to the GNU Compiler
> >>>>for Java (gcj)? Will they be able to use Sun's own Java code to make
> >>>> the project fully compatible with all the Java applications built with
> >>>> Sun's version? Or will gcj give way completely to the presently built
> >>>> Java Development Kit? Will a fully Sun-compatible Java development
> >>>>environment be available for Fedora Core 7? 6?
> >>
> >>Praise GAWD! <gibbers thankfully> Ric
> >
> > I'm simply stunned. Delighted, to be sure, but stunned. Not that Ric
> > is gibbering thankfully -- he usually gibbers with little provocation --
> > but that Sun actually released Java under the GPL.
> >
> > Kurt
>
> Well, you can believe it. The news came to me from eWeek, and they don't
> usually miss. I'm waiting with bated breath for Steve Vaughn-Nichols to
> comment on this.
>
> I agree--this is H-U-G-E.
>
> The analysts can't seem to make out why Sun acted as it did. But in fact
> Sun has been working on this for a long, /long/ time. They had to square
> everything with current copyright owners. In some cases, they "settled"
> with those owners. My guess is that they bought the copyrights for them,
> so that they could release everything to the "intellectual common" that
> the GPL creates.
>
> The analysts also said that they chose GPL for a very good reason: that
> it is the most widely-used of all FOSS licenses.
>
> You cannot imagine how this pleases me. I am trying right now to develop
> a Java client application for a PostgreSQL database. Having to create a
> Sun-friendly Java development environment has been my worst obstacle to
> continuing to upgrade to newer versions of Fedora. Sorry, but gcj just
> doesn't cut it. It leaves out too many things.
>
> But now that the original code is out under GPL, one of two things can
> happen:
>
> 1.	The gcj project developers and maintainers can now fix gcj to handle
> everything that the current version of Java can handle.
>
> 2.	The present JDK gets ported as-is to Linux.
>
> I can't recommend for or against either option. I don't really know how
> close gcj is to being a complete implementation of Java--and I
> appreciate the effort that the gcj developers made at least to /try/ to
> give us an unencumbered Java runtime and development environment.
>
> I do, however, have a lot of recommendations to make to whoever will now
> maintain Java now that it is under GPL license:
>
> 1.	Allow us to pass user-defined objects by value and not by reference
> only.
>
> 2.	Allow us to overload operators. Today a Java developer can overload
> functions but not operators. Why should I not be allowed to define, say,
> a date object, and be able to write:
>
> Date Today = new Date(system.currentTimeMillis());
> TimeInterval Week = new TimeInterval();
> Week.setDays(7);
> Date NextWeek = Today + Week;
> Date LastWeek = Today - Week;
> TimeInterval Fortnight = NextWeek - LastWeek;
>
> Now wouldn't that be far simpler than having to define each operation as
> a function taking an argument? That's what overloaded operators can do
> for you.
>
> C++ developers know all about overloaded operators. We Java developers
> ought to have that freedom.
also this guy has a grudge against bill gates
http://www.nndb.com/people/137/000026059/
>
> Temlakos


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