On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:42:06 -0400
Jeff Garzik <[email protected]> wrote:
> Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >> Do you still get link beat detection when the phy is powered down?
>
> > does that matter?
> > If the interface is down, nic drivers aren't expected to detect link...
> > if userspace wants to find link status it should have the interface up.
>
>
> Definitely matters. Switch renegotiation can take a while, and you must
> take into account the common case of interface bouncing (immediate down,
> then up).
>
> Hoards actively complained the few times we experimented with this,
> because of e.g. DHCP's habit of bouncing the interface, which resulted
> in PHY power bouncing, which resulted in negotiation, which resulted in
> an excrutiating wait on various broken or stupid switches.
>
> Overall, this may be classed with other problems of a similar sort: we
> can power down a PHY, but that removes hotplug capability and extends
> partner/link negotiation time.
>
> Like SATA, we actually want to support BOTH -- active hotplug and PHY
> power-down -- and so this wanders into power management policy.
>
> Give me a knob, and we can program plenty of ethernet|SATA|USB|...
> drivers to power down the PHY and save power.
>
> Jeff
We do have IFF_DORMANT, but almost no driver uses it. And most
certainly, the common applications wouldn't know how to use it.
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