On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 01:31:46AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:05, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 00:31 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 07:38:31AM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 22:35 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, 26 September 2006 22:14, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 12:45:00AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > > > >...
> > > > > > > solid)
> > > > > > > apart from HIGHMEM64G fiasco, and related agpgart fiasco long
> > > > > > > time before that... these are driver problems...
> > > > > > >...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One point that seems to be a bit forgotten is that driver problems do
> > > > > > actually matter a lot:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I for one do not care much whether I can abort suspending (I can always
> > > > > > resume) or whether dancing penguins are displayed during suspending -
> > > > > > but the fact that my saa7134 card only outputs the picture but no sound
> > > > > > after resuming from suspend-to-disk is a real show-stopper for me.
> > > >
> > > > Agreed that some things are more important than others. But to some
> > > > people, user interface does matter. After all, we want (well I want)
> > > > people considering converting from Windows to see that free software can
> > > > be better than proprietary stuff, not just imitate what they're doing.
> > > >
> > > > Suspend2 doesn't actually provide dancing penguins while suspending -
> > > > it's a simple progress bar in either pure text or overlayed on an image
> > > > of your choosing.
> > > >
> > > > The support for aborting is really just fall out from the work on
> > > > debugging and testing failure paths.
> > > >...
> > >
> > > Sorry if this sounded as if I was against improvements of suspend.
> > > That was not my intention.
> > >
> > > But as long as there are driver problems, suspend as a whole can not be
> > > called solid. The core itself might be solid or not, but without working
> > > drivers this doesn't buy users much.
> > >
> > > A user might be impressed by a progress bar on a nifty image, but if one
> > > or more of his drivers have problems with suspend the user won't get a
> > > good impression of Linux.
> > >
> > > How many driver problems with suspend are buried in emails and
> > > Bugzillas (will problems like kernel Bugzilla #6035 ever be debugged?)?
> >
> > I fully agree. One of the largest issues I'm regularly dealing with is
> > people reporting problems with drivers.
>
> Well, can we please have these reports forwarded to LKML or placed
> in the bugzilla?
The main question is:
Who will track these bugs, debug them (who is e.g. responsible for
kernel Bugzilla #6035?) and repeatingly poke maintainers to fix such
issues?
If you are saying you will do this job, I can try to redirect such bug
reports to the kernel Bugzilla, create a "suspend driver problems" meta
bug there, assign it to you and create the dependencies that it tracks
the already existing bugs in the kernel Bugzilla.
> Greetings,
> Rafael
cu
Adrian
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